tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1544380630901811297.post4649321200156268057..comments2024-02-19T12:16:52.085+00:00Comments on Joakim Book | Life of an Econ Student: Crusades and Failures of the Rethinking MovementJoakim Bookhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08963956441928017771noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1544380630901811297.post-31576570815633791292016-04-29T00:56:19.297+01:002016-04-29T00:56:19.297+01:00Oh, and I'm looking forward to that book (send...Oh, and I'm looking forward to that book (send me a copy?) and I'd be happy to assist with input if you want to. <br /><br />Kind regards, thanks for stopping by and I hope to see you around!Joakim Bookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08963956441928017771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1544380630901811297.post-12872174785695716832016-04-29T00:55:12.072+01:002016-04-29T00:55:12.072+01:00Hi, Cahal! I must shamefully admit that I don'...Hi, Cahal! I must shamefully admit that I don't remember you very well. I'm sure we had a great time!:)<br /><br />I understand that left-leaning economists generally are more willing to take part in conferences, finally having somebody who listens to their ideas - but same thing applies for pretty much every idea that isn't much welcomed, from MMTs to Market Monetarists.<br /><br />Since I have some background and decent amount of connections in Austrian/Classically-liberal circles, I helped Glasgow Economic Forum get in touch with several Austrians (Mark Pennington of King's eventually participated in 2016) - I'd be very happy to assist you guys with similar connections. This year, for instance, I saw you had Devrim Yilmaz present 'Intro to Austrian Econ' - Don't get me wrong, Devrim knows SO much, but his research focuses on very different areas. <br /><br />You're right. Diane is very sympathetic to PCES if I'm not mistaken. I just found her point above very revealing... and as to Farmer's comment, I didn't mean to imply that your report did not engage with mainstream (which it very much did). <br /><br />BOTTOM LINE: I think if I scratch most PCES/RE people, they do sincerely want pluralism and diversity, as do I. Thing is, that's not what anyone reading your media articles, visiting your conferences or discuss economics with some representative takes from that. You are nominally for pluralism - but in reality, unfortunately not so much. And that frustrates me, since I see so much potential in what you're doing and sympathise a lot. <br /><br /><br />Joakim Bookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08963956441928017771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1544380630901811297.post-29368508116933853662016-04-28T11:05:27.618+01:002016-04-28T11:05:27.618+01:00Hi Joakim,
I'm Cahal from PCES, we've met...Hi Joakim,<br /><br />I'm Cahal from PCES, we've met a couple of times (including at the Manchester conference, though it wasn't me who you spoke to about the minimum wage!)<br /><br />I actually think you have a point about the movement. There is often a distinctly left wing vibe to the events etc. In one sense it is hard to escape this: we invite 'right wingers' to our events as much we can, but the simple fact is that they are less willing to come. If you have a movement that is challenging the status quo, then it's more likely to attract those who identify with the left. It's an ongoing challenge and at PCES Manchester we are always looking for a broad range of ideas, so let us know if you know any mainstream, Austrian or other non-left economists who might be willing to do events etc.<br /><br />However, don't let a couple of bad experiences colour your perception too much. At Manchester we have had Stephen Davies, Andrew Lilco, Gerry Steele and others speak at our events. The students in currently in the society cover a fairly broad range, including a fair few people who are quite 'pro-market' (oversimplified term I know).<br /><br />I'm also not sure about how you frame your quotes. I think Diane's view is not the same as yours as she is basically looking to define non-neoclassical economics out of economics and just stick to pluralism 'within the mainstream' (an oxymoron if you ask me). Similarly, while Farmer's comments as a whole were fair and useful, the way you quote them almost implies we didn't engage with mainstream ideas in our report, which we most definitely did. <br /><br />A forthcoming book by me, Joe Earle and Zach Ward-Perkins also draws on ideas like seeing like a state and Hayek's critique of central planning to criticise neoclassical economics, as well as advocating full pluralism including Austrianism, Schumpeter, neoclassical economics or what have you. So hopefully this kind of thing is more in line with what you have in mind when you speak of drawing on a broad range of ideas.Cahalnoreply@blogger.com